According to Dr. Garth Nicholson and Dr. Nancy Nicholson, who were interviewed on Nurse Talk Radio in Houston, Texas, April 15, 1995, research done at the M.D. Anderson Cancer Research Center shows that one of the components (illnesses) inherent in the Gulf War Syndrome appears to be a form of man-made gem warfare.
Says Dr. Garth Nicholson, “we have isolated a bacteria called Mycoplasma incognitas through a
method called gene tracking. The good news is that if treated, by a readily available antibiotic, most veterans have been helped. The bad news is that we are finding more and more family members that are contracting the disease from Desert Storm veterans.”
His wife, Dr. Nancy Nicholson, had more to say: “this could be a holocaust of monumental proportions as it has been genetically enpeered, with roots right here in the Houston area. “‘
Who are the Drs. Nicholson, who have made these charges? Both have very impressive credentials. Dr. Garth Nicholson is a Professor of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology, a Professor of Internal Medicine, and Chairman of the Department of Tumor Biology at the University of Texas, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center at Houston.
With over 25 years experience and over 400 papers published in scientific and medical journals, he is also a member of the editorial boards of 13 scientific and medical journals, and has been nominated for the Nobel Prize.
His wife, Dr. Nancy Nicholson, has an Undergraduate degree from Johns Hopkins University, a Ph.D in Molecular Biophysics from Florida State University, post-doctoral training at the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center at Houston, has been a member of the faculty at Baylor University in the Pharmacology, Microbiology and Immunology departments, and is President of the Rhoden Foundation for Medical
Research.
An Interview with the Drs. Nicholson
R: Last winter, I caught a Houston press conference where a lady in a laboratory smock explained that mycoplasmas are natural components found in all living cells. She continued that she and her husband were doctors that had discovered that the cause of the
Gulf War Syndrome (at least a component also contributing to its contagion) was a manmade, artijricial mycoplasma that had “somehow” been implanted in the cells of Desert Storm veterans.
Tonight’s guests: Dr. Nancy Nicholson and her husband, Dr.
Garth Nicholson. Welcome
D: Thank you. First, the mycoplasmas that seem to cause GWS are not exactly ‘artificial,” but we have scientific evidence that they have been modified. However. there is a-federal gag order out on this, so you won’t hear about it on the normal news. It’s frustrating
because people need to know they can be helped — but if they don’t know, they are at risk.
R: How did you get involved with the Desert Storm syndrome?
D: Our daughter served in the 101 st Airborne Division in Iraq, on ‘the deep insertions. Like many other vets, she came home with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and a number of associated ailments, including arthritis-like problems with her joints. She had
problems with her hearing, vision, memory, headaches, muscle spasms, skin rashes, gastrointestinal problems, and cardiac arrhythmia. All these and a variety of other problems collectively fall under the category of “Desert Storm Syndrome” or ‘Gulf War
Illness.”
Urinary and reproductive problems are also common in women with Gulf War Illness. Severe pregnancy problems, many still births, birth defects, and many of the babies born to Desert Storm Syndrome patients die within a couple years — tremendous problems in this
category.
R: This is an amazing array of symptoms. How many people are infected?
D: Between 50,000 and 100,000 people. That only includes those registered at the VA Hospitals, not their family members. There may be more.
R: Are these soldiers that were in deep insertions?
D: Some were on ‘’Deep insertions” and some were behind the lines. For example, some Air Force soldiers decontaminated aircraft that bombed Iraqi chemical and biological weapon storage facilities.~ Many of those decontamination soldiers are dead and those still
alive are very, very ill. Some are paralyzed. We worked with a 16-member graves registration unit. There’s only one member alive, and she’s in a wheelchair now and doing very poorly.
R: The other 15 died?
D: They’re all dead. They were handling thousands of bodies , but the government has covered this up and only reported 148 combat deaths. There were ten times more than that due to infectious diseases and other problems associated with the Gulf War. Worse the number is going to [get worse] because of contagion. Mycoplasmas can be transmitted through the air. Every place I look, somebody’s showing symptoms. We have detected the microorganism. It’s very evasive and very infective, very contagious in these Gulf War veterans. The evidence indicates that these mycoplasmas have been tampered with by man. The mycoplasma penetrates the cell and proliferates. It takes pieces of the host’s membrane with it so the body is set up for rheumatoid response or thyroiditis and it’s a very confounding illness – perfect germ warfare, the last thing you’d expect and very difficult to diagnose. The general medical community is unaware of this – so the more it’s kept under wraps, the greater the problem becomes.
The mycoplasmas are deep in each cell’s nucleus and have certain DNA sequences that are extremely unusual and it is highly unlikely that these genetic sequences could have gotten into this organism in a way exceDt by man putting them there. One of the DNA
sequences includes part of the HIV virus that was inserted into this micro-organism – to make it more danperous and more pathogenic , but that doesn’t mean that people with GWS have HIV.. . it’s treatable.. . people hear “AIDS” and they get really upset.
R: Did you study AIDS and the hanta virus? Doesn’t their transfer into humans seem so unnatural, that something almost had to be engineered?
D: Absolutel~. You only expect a naturally occurring virus to have ‘homology’: similarities, to other viruses. We look at the DNA sequence of HIV-1 and there’s homology to so many different naturally occurring viruses (more than 50), that it doesn ‘t appear to be a naturally occurring event. The GWS mycoplasma also gives “AIDS-like”
symptoms because it can also cause immunosuppression. When a patient is immuno-suppressed, he’s left wide open for a variety of other opportunistic infections and diseases.
Patients become more susceptible because they have this underlying mycoplasma infection which I call ‘the great impostor” and ‘beat masquerader”. It hides and manifests itself in some many different ways that most people just treat the symptoms if they don’t know that
this particular organism is present. And, it is difficult to detect. We had to go to forensic techniques, but it & detectable and treatable.
Some people think the mycoplasma is a co-factor to the HIV virus, A person who has HIV and contracts these mycoplasma infections probably won’t survive. But, other people who have only the mycoplasma infection can live — unless they are given the proper treatment.
We have a publication in the Joumal of the American Medical Association on a small study of 73 soldiers who have GWS. Fifty-five of those soldiers recovered after multiple treatments with the antibiotic Doxycycline. So, we know that there are probably two antibiotics, Doxycycline and Sibrofloxin, which seem fairly eflective against the
microorganism. But, it requires several cycles, sometimes years . . .
We are told the Iraqis operated under the Soviet War Doctrine. If so, they probably used several infectious and chemical agents. As a result, many of the Gulf War soldiers were heavily exposed to indigenous chemicals and a variety of other agents in the air and
clothing. This caused a multiple chemical sensitivity problem. Unfortunately, because of these chemical sensitivities, many veterans cannot take the powerful antibiotics needed to
help them. because they react against them like they are foreign chemicals – so, we have a double problem with those soldiers.
R: Do Doxycycline or Sibrofloxin actually kill the mycoplasma, or do they just “put it to sleep”?
D: You will carry the mycoplasma for the rest of your life, but whether you relapse depends on your own immune system. The earlier you get the antibiotics the better chance you have of not relapsing. The longer you possess the illness, the harder it is to get rid of it.
R: How did you discover the antibiotics?
D: (Nancy Nicholson) I almost died from the illness in 1987. I had all the symptoms. I went down to 70 pounds. I was partially paralyzed, my thyroid was affected, I had encephalitis, meningitis — I had just about everything. I didn’t think I was going to make it. I had a near death experience – which people can mock – I was told I wasn’t going to die but I had better promise that when I get better, if I ever heard of anyone else sick in the future, I had better speak out, even if it meant putting myself up to danger and ridicule. So, I try and keep that word. About that time, we tried Doxycycline.
R: How did you come across that?
D: An article in the New York Times called ‘Mycoplasma Incognitos” listed all my symptoms, so I called the author, Dr. Shiloh, who was at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington. He never told me (and I didn’t find out until much later) that he had been working in my own department at Baylor College of Medicine – but offsite.’
So, at this time he was very open (except about having worked at oust on*). In 1987, he tested me and said that I had it, so that’s how we found out.
Then, in 1992, when out daughter came back from Desert Storm with an almost identical illness – that was a big tip-off. So, because Dr. Shiloh had given me so many clues several years before Desert Storm, we were able to figure out what they had done
R: What’s the government doing about it?
D: Harassing those who are tying to help. Mostly, denying there’s even a problem. They have put out a lot of misinformation indicating these veterans have ‘post traumatic stress syndrome” and “other emotional problems” unrelated to disease, when in fact they have real, physical problems. Some of them are in wheel chairs, some are paralyzed. You cannot imagine the range of different diseases. We have found that Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is an infectious disease possibly caused by mycoplasmas.
R: What is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?
D: It’s a feeling that you are very tired, worn out and you don’t have any stamina or strength. Can’t focus. Major concentration problems. Can’t remember what you are doing.
There are also documented immunologic problems. In extreme cases, encephalitis and meningitis can develop, and some soldiers get false indications of auto-immune disease
like multiple sclerosis.~
The problem is International. Scientists were imprisoned in the Middle East for not going along with the germ warfare. I’ve experienced a ten-year character assassination, professional assassination in my work. I cannot justify any of this with science. It’s evil, that ‘s all I can tell you. It ‘s a spiritual battle.
R: If this disease is communicable through the air, it may be potentially more dangerous than AIDS.
D: I don ‘t see how anyone can avoid that conclusion. It’s latency period depends on the immune system of the individual. Some people might carry it for years … it can also be transferred to unborn babies. hat’s why it is so important that we tell people what to do.
I have detected the DNA sequences deep in the cell nucleus – very deep. I don ‘t know what that is [going to do in future?] generations – it’s in the hands of God. now. It ‘s hard to sleep at night wondering who is going to be a victim when they can’t even be treated if the gag
order and media blackout were stopped.
R: Who issued the gag order?
D: We know the Clinton White House has this information and they haven’t done anything with it. Our own hospitals administrators admitted receiving pressure from the Defense Intelligence Ageny and the Central Intelligence Agency because we were ordered to stop our work on these problems and we were ordered not to talk to the media or to the [?]. But, we
can’t do that, because it’s too serious
There has to be something that we leave for future generations. The children must be considered, but it almost sounds like people think in terms of eugenics. where they do not care about who is victimized.
Eugenics Programs Since the 1940’s Admitted by Department of Justice
One of my close friends, a Director of Special Investigations in the Justice Department, has confirmed that there have been secret eupenics directives in prominent East coast laboratories since the late 1940’s. I’ve had corroboration from scientists who were on
some of these projects, so it’s a horrifyng thought. But, I cannot explain it any other way, that people should be so callous with our soldiers.
Every other experiment that’s been done since the late 1940’s involved soldiers. For some reason, the people who give these orders think they are immune to the disease and can escape it. But, someone might carry the infection and not feel anything, or not have any symptoms, and then pass it on to the next generation, or come down with it 10 years later. Probably, nobody is immune.
Evidence of Prisoner Testing of GWS Mycoplasmas
And, now you don’t have to be a soldier to get sick. Because the mycoplasmas are contagious, we ‘re talking about civilians. We’re working with some prison personnel at the Huntsville group, headed by Sally Meadly.
They had an array of symptoms similar to those that we’re seeing in the Desert Storm vets. In Huntsville prison, is there are several hundred people affected and diagnosed with anything from MS to ALS.”
When I’d done their profile using our genetic tracking, the profile was very similar. A couple of years ago, there was an unusual outbreak of an illness in Palestine, Texas where there’s also a prison facility. They hushed that up, but we were able to talk to the physician, and he did use Doxycycline.
Biological Blowback
That connection between Desert Stom Syndrome and prisoner illnesses helped us start to piece together duplicities and the spider web of connections between politics and science.
High level people got sick, so they started leaking information to us. We put it together, because after we helped many people who were high level military intelligence and Delta Forces – and my own experience of most likely having been in the department where the
work was initiated — we were able to piece the information together.
R: Could the “ebola” flesh-eating bacteria in Africa be a biological warfare agent?
D: All of a sudden, all these illnesses are cropping up. I can’t prove it, but its highly suspicious that there was an outbreak of Ebola in West Virginia. That is what the movie ‘Outbreak” was about. Knowing what I know from people who worked at Fort Detrick and who are high up in the agencies nothing would surprise me because of the amount of
genetic tampering. I strongly suspect there’s been tampering with the Leprosy bacteria and with anthrax gene sequences. So, although we can only speculate, you have to assume there may be tampering with anything that is deadly.
None of this has been exposed in the media because there is practically a news blackout on this. Both my wife and I have given interviews for major news networks, but they have been pulled. It’s very frustrating, because we wanted to help everyone. You have to draw the line at political agendas – the welfare of the people should be primary. particularly our soldiers . . . it ‘s a tremendous betrayal.
R: Why would the government suppress this information? Is the cover-up to help make these “world police actions” seem more palatable to the American people?
D: It ‘s probably more serious than that. We can only speculate, but in the late 1960’s, we passed federal laws banning the development and deployment of biological weapons. We ratified international treaties in the early 1970’s essentially banning the use of biological weapons.
Unfortunately our biological development has probably gone on unimpeded even after signing those treaties. But, we didn’t know enough amount the cells to begin with — that’s why these
experiments are completely ill-advised. Dr. Paul Burg won the Nobel Prize and advised against these experiments in the early 1970’s. They literally excluded him from the loop and went full speed ahead on the recommendations of Dr. Joshua Letterburg and Dr. James Watson – who had very unusual agents in relation to the Human Genome
Project.
We believe that the Human Genome Project-Tunneled a bunch of money – that should have pone -for basic research -for medical benefits – into making destructive weapons and biological wartime research. It’s contemptible. We don’t know about how our cells work, and these people never should have played God. It goes against everything that we, as a people, stand for.
But, there’s also the question of financial liability. If people that were exposed to these biological weapons can prove they were exposed, there’s a certain amount of civil liability.
Remember the Agent Orange problem of Vietnam? Every veteran exposed to Agent Orange (dioxin compound) had one heck of a time trying to convince the government that they were ill. Because of that court battles bagged out for 20 years or more
R: There’s a serious difference, though — Agent Orange was not communicable.
D: That’s right — the mycoplasma is more serious.
R: So the government generally ignored the Agent Orange veterans until many had died and the problem was essentially stilled by time. Today, however, we’re dealing with a
contagrous disease and official silence will cause more people to suffer and die. So, by keeping – this disease under wraps, the government virtually guarantees that the contagion will spread?
D: That’s true — they’re still handling it just like they handled Agent Orange.
R: If Iraq used biological weapons in the Gulf War, where did Iraq get the necessary research ?
D: I made a little survey, and it seems that most of the mycoplasma laboratories in the United States have Iraqi technicians, which was quite an interesting fact. I can’t speak for other countries. However, it seems that everyone was involved Mina Bachoff is Moscow’s Administrator for the human genome project, so you have Russia involved; the United States is involved leading the west; you have Iraq; the United Kingdom; Israel was involved — everybody, everybody. However, not too many people worked on mycoplasmas for the last 20 years so it’s easy to trace who was doing the research.
R: Then how did Iraq get that biological weapon? Is it possible that the United States or a close ally is responsible for unleashing this disease?
D: Ok, let’s speculate. We strongly suspect that the mycoplasma’s that we’ve detected in Gulf War veterans were probably ‘modified” in this country, in Houston, and sold illegally to the Iraqis.
R: That’s why the government is not going to talk?
D: Correct. It’s very interesting that two weeks before Desert Storm, the US. Commerce Department put a hold on all mycoplasmas or genetically modified mycoplasmas for shipment to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission – which tells us they had already shipped it
R: Has this disease affected people living in the Middle East?
D: They’re very sick. We had an emissary from Iraq itself, from Saddam Hussein. We have his blood, and he was positive. He told us there were 250,000 dead and at least 1,000,000 infected, including members of his own family. We’ve been contacted by just about every Middle East country. For example, in Jordan there are high rates of spontaneous miscarriage and stillborn^.’^
R: Those that live by the sword will die by the sword … ?
D: We told the Iraqi emissary that he poisoned his own seed. The germs don’t care what you are. They don’t know terrorists from counter-terrorists, from Iraqis, fiom Israelis, from Islamics or Christians or Jews — they attack everyone. However, the French help their soldiers exposed to the Gulf War illness. They wrote to us and said they knew about the antibiotics but they were diplomatically tied. We’ve helped the British. Both Nancy and I were on BBC. The story is not being covered up in Britain. In Australia we were on television. We’ve been on TV in Italy because the Vatican is very concerned about this, particularly the Pope, who in his splendor of truth wrote that certain acts are inherently evil and this is one of them. He spoke out on our death-oriented societv, so germ warfare will be very high on their priority. But. because of the gag order and press blackout. America is the place to be helped. You know, we wish we could stay totally away from the politics, but it impacts on everything.
R: What kind of “political agenda” are you facing now?
D: We can only hypothesize, but it appears that although American soldiers were victims of biological and chemical warfare, the official government line is that no chemical or biologicals were used against our soldiers. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look that way, and to keep that official line going, they have to deny that out soldiers are sick – and that’s just what they are doing.
R: We’ve watched movies since we were kids about scientists creating monsters — it appears that we have created a monster so small that it’s virtually invisible.
D: Not if you know what to look for. And recognized early, it’s easily treatable. We developed our gene tracking over a 15 year period to study the spread of cancer. We modified it for infectious disease and that enables us to know how the DNA’s are put together and precisely where they are. As a result, we have a test-for this disease that we will run-free of charge. But, we need a blood sample to run a test. We’d been mostly testing soldiers and their families, but we’ve opened it up to other people because we realize that many people have been exposed whether they realize it or not, with people from the Middle East, with soldiers, with a variety of other individuals, and they are at risk. Many people have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and the associated GWS, but they don’t know it