AA, NA, and its ilk are ostensibly based on Buchmanism and tenets of the Oxford Group, itself modeled against first century christianity. And that was more about people exchanging stories about their sins and their stains and sharing strength and experience about being delivered from that. I am pretty sure that Jesus ministry to others in his lifetime did not consist of “I’m gonna die for your sins bro!” He was alive, so , that whole deal about transmutation, sacrifice, whatever , that was not what he was going around telling people. Get real.
Those groups are infiltrated by open and avowed satanists, ****, and masons who despise any kind of spiritual practice or inclination and do everything in their power to deter you from that, drive you out, discourage you from that and drill this endless stream of drivel into your head about how none of it is good enough and you will fail.
You have people like Janis stating she’s a “sorcerer” and can “cast a spell to ruin your life” you have Stan the Jew screaming about murdering and beating and ruining people, and the endless scheming over power and authority. Or jews like Joel who arent drug addicts – the dude’s a “””food addict””” who pays lip service to drug addiction so that he may pretend that he is eligible/qualified to either be 1) in there in the first place, or 2) to counsel you on an addiction he himself doesnt have or 3) “set you straight” on “god.” “g-d” in your parlance.
When “Joel” deigns to address you about “god” know that he is not an addict or working the program or even “qualified” to be in attendance in the first place. Everything he deigns to insult your intelligence with, with regard to “god” has absolutely nothing to do with the “program” that garbage is all heresy from the synagogue of satan, and when i forcefully reject that manipulative, heretic, jewish garbage – and y’all go around saying im “anti program” you can go fuck yourselves, too.
Food addict, please. You can talk to me when you hit rock bottom and have to suck someone’s dick in an alley for a pepperoni calzone.
When they aren’t busy being an extension of freemasonic slander networks and threatening people within an inch of their life, sabotaging their recovery, begging them for money, or trying to fuck them, remember to ask them what step theyre working on right now.
And the fucked up thing about these satanic fucking cultists is that when you disobey them or decide they are mentally ill abusive degenerates who do more dope than you do, and find it within yourself to leave that environment, “oh he took his will back from GoD.” And they cheer when the “disobedient” relapse and die.
Your failure , your death, and your despair provides more wind underneath their wings than your recovery ever could have.
It’s not a teaching moment for what they’ve done to people.
It’s a celebration and an opportunity to martyr themselves “oh ive had to attend sooooo many funerals, poor poor me. oh my burden.”
They are saboteurs who don’t even believe in god, scolding you about how “god” works and how everything you do to question them is an affront or rebellion against “god” its sick people who lie in order to impose their “spiritual authority” “muh 8 years clean! glug glug glug SNORRRT glug glug glug one day at a time SSSNIFFFF” and predate on people sexually and financially or emotionally blackmail them. Their big endless rebellion to gain control over the ban hammer is because nothing and i mean nothing delights the cultists more than icing you out from your only form of support left on this planet with absolutely zero compassion empathy or mercy, they even think it’s funny.
Like any other cult that shuns and dissociates “apostates” and “wrong doers” , ignoring child fuckers, elders who beat on their wives etc.
They get as much delight from raping a child as they do from bewildering, ostracizing, and abusing the doe eyed newcomer, kicking them out, driving them back to drugs or an alleyway to die in.
“Oh well, it works for meeeeeeeeeeeee.”
I grew up in one of those cults and I could always see through you.
Due to hair splitting on whether Christ is a man or a deity, or whether Christ and Mary are intercessionaries (and I very much believe in intercessionaries) or , lets say, the Teotl… Christian beliefs do not offend me even if it’s very likely that mine will offend them. I am not going to apologize for beliefs that are in line with those of my ancestors, which they have tried dearly to indoctrinate and brainwash out of us for > 350 years.
I shall honor no other gods ancestors or tribes or histories but yours.
But IMO you could solve a lot of problems in “recovery” by literally opening the meeting praising and giving testimonials to Christ the intercessionary working through others and watch how many of those bastards shriek like the melting Wicked Witch and run.
Mormons and JWs are the same cult: Mormons map out everyones geneaology and figure out who the israelites and other “bloodlines” they want subjugated or outright exterminated are, then the Jehovahs “randomly” and aggressively go door knocking on their targets to brainwash them and pervert them with heresies and blasphemies such as passing around a bread and a juice at passover and refusing to partake of it in an open ritualistic denial of their christ connection.
Raping their children and ritualistically traumatizing them until they off themselves is one of their most exquisite delicacies.
No, we’re not the same thing.
No, we are not equals.
We are not here for the same reason you pharisees and hypocrites.
While Nadia Bolz-Weber and her writings about “god’s tent” being big enough for everyone – or St Therese of Liseaux and her musings about Jesus’s garden and how every single bloom in it was beloved to her and to him… “sound nice ” …
Therese never said that the weeds were beautiful to her or to Jesus.
Someone who is punching you in the face can leave the fucking tent.
You didn’t even have to be EVIL for jesus to spit you out of his mouth.
You only had to be LUKEWARM for him to spit you out of his mouth.
127 garbage threads on the middle east last night, thanks Kevin, thanks MTG. Lindsay. Best propaganda 8 billion dollars can buy. I tried to reach in deep and dig up any empathy for a people who have been taunting us about castrating or raping our kids and replacing/ “killing white people” for the last 7 years — who are absolutely giddy about raping me with a needle, silencing or unpersoning me. or for their brothers and sisters who have failed to rebuke even one of them.
For neighbors in Chicago whose lips would curdle in disgust if I said hello to them on the street.
Etc.
Oh! I am OBLIGATED to be concerned and compassionate for them.
Let me go dig under the couch cushions.
Maybe there I have some under there!